Matt Gagnon and Jason discuss the political hierarchy, noting that governors typically move to the U.S. Senate or Congress. Gagnon argues that Congress is viewed as less prestigious than statewide offices, including the governor’s position. He criticizes the U.S. Senate for its inefficiency and the lack of significant legislative achievements by long-term members like Chellie Pingree. Gagnon highlights the importance of statewide offices for their broader impact and the governor’s ability to enact executive orders. He also criticizes Pingree for her lack of legislative accomplishments and frequent media appearances without substantive contributions.